Bill Binney, a familiar face who was with the NSA for thirty years before he resigned and became a whistleblower in 2001, is Tucker Carlson’s guest. Carlson notes that he resigned because the agency was building illegal mass surveillance networks, which continues to this day.
Carlson notes Binney “says that President Trump almost certainly has been spied upon by the government, was being spied upon and probably for a long time. Binney agrees that it’s entirely possible that the President was spied upon, saying, “They’re taking in, fundamentally, the entire fiber network inside the United States and collecting all of that data and storing it in a program they call it “Stellar Wind” is the name for their program. That’s the domestic collection of data on US citizens, US citizens to other US citizens, everything, everything we’re doing.”
He points out that includes, “Phone calls, emails, and uh, financial transactions, credit cards, things like that, yeah, all of it.” Carlson asks, “So if you found someone objectionable or dangerous, the temptation would be profound to locate information on that person, perhaps misuse it, would it not be?’ Binney replies in the affirmative, noting a program inside the NSA called “loveint” in which the analysts at NSA looked into that data to find out if their lovers were cheating on them. That’s the extent of the data collection that NSA’s doing.”
Carlson says, “But I grew up believing that NSA was not allowed to collect data on Americans. It was supposed to be outwardly focused on our foreign enemies. And you’re saying that that’s been perverted for many years. “Yeah, since 2001,” replies Binney. Carlson notes that NSA has the information to prove or disprove the claims of Russian hacking in the election or “Trump’s tweet about being spied upon, why wouldn’t they?”
Binney says, “Well, that would get into the extent of which they’ve penetrated the network inside the United States.” He raised another issue of another program that is not being addressed, that there is a subgroup inside NSA that is targeting and looking at all the members of the Supreme Court, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Congress, both House and Senate, as well as the White House. He explains it as a look into what the people who have power over you think, what they think you should be doing, or what they’re planning to do to you, your budget or whatever so you can try to counteract it before it actually happens.”
They agree that it is illegal, with Carlson recalling a conversation he had with the former Republican [Intelligence] Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, stating it was a big deal and being told in essence that they could do whatever they choose in defense against “terrorism.” He says the NSA has consistently failed, noting, “When Alexander said they’d stopped 54 attacks and he was challenged to produce the evidence to prove that, he failed on every count.”
While Binney agrees that they are required to give the President whatever he asks for, they’ll never know if they do. The raw data may or may not be produced and they’ve been lying for quite a long time.
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